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Bring the MINI Cooper Diesel to the US

For all you US based diesel fans, here’s your chance to be heard. Everyone by now knows my interests in alternative fuel vehicles. Most of the diesel posts are mine, and I’m always leaving comments, even in the posts I make! Not to mention all of the posts I have made on my motoring blog concerning alternative fuel vehicles.

While the thought of a hybrid is exciting to me, and many of you I’m sure, what are our choices? Nothing that we can really get excited about. Not to mention the cost of replacing the batteries about 3-5 years. Not something I would really look forward to.

We also know that BMW has a diesel engine ready to come to the US in the form of the X5 in ‘08 (and possibly a diesel powered 5 series in ‘09). If they are bringing it here, it must be ready to pass smog inspection in the toughest air-quality standard states, including California.

And now MINI has that brand new diesel Cooper. Increased fuel economy (approximately 60MPG on the US cycle), cleaner burning (the cleanest burning car they make) and lots of cool technology. Plus, as much torque as an R56 MCS at 2,000 RPM makes this car look very attractive.

But there currently aren’t any plans for MINI to bring this car to North America. We can speculate on the why, but that’s not terribly productive. Instead, I say we get together and try to convince MINI to bring the diesel powered MINI to North America.

To that end, we present you, the fine Motoringfile reader, with the following questions.

  1. Would you seriously purchase a diesel powered MINI?
    • If your answer is no, would $5+ a gallon change your mind?
  2. What would you expect to pay as a premium for the Cooper D over the standard Cooper?
  3. How would driving a diesel benefit you?

You know what to do. I’ll be keeping a close eye on the spam filters to make sure all of the comments get through.

Written By: DB
M7 Tuning

403 Comments

Fred May 30th, 2007 Link

I would seriously consider a diesel, or electric, or ethanol, or gerbil-powered Mini if it performed as my 07 MCS does. I am not sure why there has to be a premium attached. Is it more expensive to build a diesel? I would think less, but would not expect the price to be less.

Pretzel Logic May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, and I’d buy one if fuel were $1.00 a gallon.
  2. Assuming diesels are more expensive to manufacture, I would be willing to pay whatever premium VW charges for its diesel Jetta/Golf/Rabbit/New Beetle models.
  3. Fewer trips to the filling station for homegrown biodiesel.
murmini May 30th, 2007 Link

I would certainly buy a diesel MINI even at a premium. I would also convert it to WVO and run it on veggie oil/diesel. I just converted a VW Jetta to veggie and can not sing the praises of doing so enough!

indimini May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, especially if it were offered in the R55
  2. I would be willing to pay a slight ($1K) premium if mfr costs required it.
  3. This would be a daily driver for my wife - it would get me out of her minivan. Her commute is 60+ miles round trip every day, so the benefits of the larger vehicle + improved fuel economy would be great.
Ian F May 30th, 2007 Link

I currently drive a Jetta TDI wagon… so yes, I would be interested… especially if the rumored 70 mpg carries through to reality.

vin. May 30th, 2007 Link

A diesel R55 doesn’t sound bad at all. Especially after the baby(ies?) arrive.

Making it perform like an MCS would be icing on the cake.

JohnWR May 30th, 2007 Link

Wow! A diesel would be sweet. It would make a Clubman the perfect Mini SUV. And yes I would convert it to run on biofuel.

J May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy a diesel Mini immediately. I currently drive an 03 MC. My next car will most likely be a diesel. Here in the South, ethanol is not really that prevalent (no corn fields). What we do have is soybeans which can be turned into biodiesel. If I want to end my oil addiction and go with a renewal fuel, I’ll need a diesel motor. Currently, my chief contender is a diesel Rabbit, once they return to the US (09, I think). The Mini styling wins of the Rabbit hands down, but with the diesel models restricted to overseas, what choice do I have?

Mark May 30th, 2007 Link

I would definitely buy one, and would be willing to pay a slight premium to do so.

njpaguy May 30th, 2007 Link

In the recent past VW has imported diesel models to the US but has limited options available on those models. Who says US diesel buyers want only base models with little or no options?

WHEN you do it MINI, make sure the choices to build our MINI Ds are the same as a Cooper and/or Cooper S.

AstroBlackS May 30th, 2007 Link

Definitely Would Buy one! Never owned a diesel but would love to!

Ron Arnold May 30th, 2007 Link

Well, obviously I would consider a diesel; it’s a great car for the times, but if you’ve ever driven a high tech diesel, it’s an amazingly satisfying drive as well. I’d pay the premium that it takes to manufacture the engine. Diesel engines have to be built very well as they live a pretty hard life.
I believe that I paid a $1300 increase for my old VW TDI.
A diesel has benefits beyond frugal consumption. Especially in this country where power down low is such a fan favorite, a small turbo diesel is great. My 2000 VW Beetle diesel, despite the stunningly indifferent service experience that VW provides, was a gem. Cruising at 75-80 and getting 50 MPG is nothing to sneeze at, and I’d really love to have the MINI experience with modern diesel refinement. Yes, it’s sometimes difficult to find convenient diesel and it will be harder with the low sulphur content fuel that the MINI D will take, but it’s worth it. Make mine a “Dubman” and I’ll put the money down today. I’m already talking with my motoring advisor (Hi Lisa!) about the future eventuality of the Clubman D.

Francis May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy the MINI diesel just for the gas mileage alone. My current commute isn’t very long, but if I can save trips to the gas station because it’s much more efficient than my MCC, I’d want to get one for sure! Premium or otherwise.

brian May 30th, 2007 Link

As far as replacing the batteries goes, you are incorrect. Toyota offers an 8-year 100,000 Mile warranty on the main components of the Hybrid portion of their vehicles. So there is no replacing of the batteries for what is conceivably the life of the car - considering how much better hybrids will be in 8 years I’m sure you’d trade it in for another one.

BobbyS May 30th, 2007 Link

We have an 03 Golf TDI. Diesel fuel is currently .75 cheaper per gallon. Just got 52mpg from Nashville to Chicago at 75mph with 2 passengers and a boot full of cycling stuff. It’s a great car and it was only slightly less than $1000 more than a gas Golf. If the MINI or Clubman were that competitively priced (within $1000-$1300) and got even more MPG, you can bet we would look real hard at replacement. I think it would be another great product differentiation for the brand.

ShawnG1313 May 30th, 2007 Link

I would seriously consider buying a MINI Diesel. This would be the Ultimate commuter car, especially here in SOCAL. Diesel is cheaper than regular here and 60+mpg would be awesome in something that isn’t hideous like the prius, not to mention a better driving experience w/ the added torque of a diesel. I would be willing to pay up to a 2k premium for a MINI D provided that it is on par technologically w/ Europe and the rest of the world.

Natrone May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. With the S performance, hellz yeah!
  2. I wouldn’t expect to pay a premium, but I would anway.
  3. My commute is a considerable distance, and 93 octane is a pinch, but still worth the mere 3% price diff from 89 (and I won’t let one dirty drop of 87 touch my ‘06 MCS).
MINI Fireman May 30th, 2007 Link

Yep I’d buy one, but how about a performance turbo diesel version also? Why would there have to be a premium? I’d pay one if it’s necessary to get it here though. 1K or less seems reasonable.

nervous May 30th, 2007 Link

Based on reviews alone - yes, I’d buy one. Would pay about $1.5k more… but, educate me. I thought that the grade of diesel required is hard to find in the States. Am I wrong? Does anyone know of any websites that list locations of availability?

mtbmini May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, I would buy one. Oh, and make it Euro delivery too.
  2. I would be willing to pay a slight penalty, but don’t get carried away.
  3. The low end torque of the diesel would be great to have in around town situations and the fuel economy keeps $$ in my pocket.
banjoez May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy a new MINI D in a heartbeat. 60 MPG would be amazing, no need for a hybrid, possibility of bio-diesel makes it even more attractive.

A $1500-$2000 premium would be acceptable over a Cooper. Half way between a Coop and an S.

Driving a fun car like a MINI that gets better mileage than a motorcycle sounds like an unbeatable combination.

Please bring the MINI D to the US, it would be a best seller guaranteed.

msh441 May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. If the diesel comes to the US in the Clubman form… I will be buying one for my wife, no question about it. She LOVES the new MINI and has a sizable commute three times a week. The fuel efficincy of the Cooper D with the functionality of the Clubman would have us saying bye-bye to the Volvo pretty quickly. She’s allready said she wants BRG/Silver, too!

  2. I would have no problems paying somthing similar to the S for the Cooper D.

  3. A fun AND fuel efficient, yet practical car!?! Bring me the Clubman D!!!

andrew May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes. I would consider buying one.

  2. Pricing should be somewhere between the Cooper and the Cooper S

  3. Save a few bucks. Feel all warm and fuzzy inside about driving a more fuel efficient vehicle.
Steve See May 30th, 2007 Link

I’d consider getting one as a daily driver as I commute 60+ miles a day. A small premium of 1-2k would be fine.

Vedubauman May 30th, 2007 Link

Sold my ‘05 MCS and bought one of the last Jetta TDI’s. I’ve been heartbroken ever since. It would be nice to have my cake and eat it to. MINI, we needed the diesel here yesterday! I have no problem paying a $1,500 premium for it. Jump on it!

Otra May 30th, 2007 Link

Absolutely I would buy a diesel for both the mpg and the environmental concerns - also interested in the possibilities of converting to bio-diesel, as well. Would I pay a premium - yes, a comparable one, as others have stated.

Here in the USA, we are so behind the times, it’s shameful. Gas prices have to go up and we have to bite the bullet - so let’s do it MINI, and start setting the trends.

Why would it benefit me? My commute has been 100 miles a day, even with that changing, considering the enviromental and financial costs - it makes sense to sell a diesel MINI now - not “in the future”.

The fantasy of “manifest destiny” is long gone - except perhaps within our current administration - and if I were to become “The Decider” I’d do my best to bring this need to the automobile industry and make it worth their while.

MINIs are great cars, but reality is here now. Bring on the diesel and get the plans in gear for a viable hybrid sooner, rather than later - and the sales won’t lag.

Hope you’re listening MINI USA!

badburro May 30th, 2007 Link

I would definitely consider purchasing a Cooper D. As to a premium, it should be no more than $1000.00. Although not a high mileage commuter, I have lots of hills where I drive. The increased fuel efficiency would improve my mpg from where it is at now, which is about 21 mpg. What about the ability to use biodiesel in the Cooper D? Now that would be fantastic.

Please bring the European version of the Cooper D stateside and not some dumbed down US version. If performance is not on-par or improved from the European version, sales figures may be lower than expected.

badburro May 30th, 2007 Link

That’s 21 mpg in my MCSc…terrible.

Gabe May 30th, 2007 Link

To start with, yes I’d love to see the MINI Cooper D in the US. Now to the questions:

  1. No - I have no interest in owning a car with a very low redline.

  2. Pricing should (and would) be near the Cooper S level - $3k more at least.

  3. I don’t drive enough to worry about fuel costs.

Chris P May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. I would absolutely buy a diesel MINI no matter what gas prices were at the time.
  2. I would pay a little extra, but not enough to make it worth more than you save on gas. That is the problem with current hybrids.
  3. I drive my 06 R53 about 100 miles daily round trip, and this would save me tons of cash at the pump.
Jon May 30th, 2007 Link

Without hesitation I would buy the new diesel. For me this could be the perfect fit for what I use my Mini for more often than not, I would keep my Cooper S for playing on the weekends.

As for a premium for the vehicle, I would consider 1.5-2k a decent deal.

The main reason this would benifit me is that not unlike a mojority of other Mini drivers I have tunned my Cooper S into a very quick car, although somewhat at teh cost of my MPG. I end up driving quite a bit for work and would love the extra range offered by this alternative. It would allow me to make a very strong impression on several of the bussinesses I deal with that are “green”. The thing I would tell Mini is to look at it this way, the diesel is already a hit in Europe, and given the greater distances in the states they should already see how a greater efficiency car would affect the market.

ajmrem May 30th, 2007 Link

I would pick a diesel as first choice but want the car configurable as a more upscale car - not a econo-box stripper. Performance near the MCS level would be a decision breaker plus. :)

OttoMannS May 30th, 2007 Link

I would be interested in a “Dooper” if the price is right. I have never owned a Diesel vehicle before, but the technology behind these high tech diesel is quite intriguing.

My daily commute is only 18 miles roundtrip in relatively light traffic.

Americans still hold an adversity towards diesel cars, probably because of the garbage that was sold here 20-30 years ago. Times have changed and now more than ever, MINI has a golden business opportunity to capitalize on the Dooper and help re-establish diesels as the truly viable gas saving option in this country.

Sorry hybrid fans… Your technology is yesterday’s news and it has proven to be nothing more than a marketing gimmick of mind boggling proportions. Diesels are the wave of the future, not battery operated hybrids.

steveo May 30th, 2007 Link

I’ve been trying to hold out for the JCW stage 2, but I would jump ship in a minute if there was a diesel option out there. ~60 mpg (US) is hard to argue with. Especially with gas prices so high.

I would pay 1500-2000 for the diesel option as it is now. However, I would love to see a diesel performance option (such as on the S).

OttoMannS May 30th, 2007 Link

A TurboDiesel would be the icing on the cake. Premium? $1,000 over the a standard gas powered “Gooper”would be fair enough.

However, I can picture MINI dealers gouging customers and marking up new “Doopers”for at least $2.5K $3K over sticker…

Steve May 30th, 2007 Link

Bring on the diesel Clubman. I would buy one right away. Yes, I’d pay a reasonable premium for the fuel economy and dependabilty.

AJ May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy one immeditely. I love my 04 MC, but I would upgrade in a minute if a hybrid or diesel came out. Really, if there’s abything BMW could do to make me hand over the keys to my beloved MINI this would be it. I have heard great comments from people with diesel V-Dubs, and I’ve seen consumer grade pumps springing up. I’m all for it.

Oh yeah, I’m planning to move to Canada, so roll it out there as well (although I see Canada getting it before the US).

Regardless, I was planning on driving my MC until it, or I, died. But if a more environmentally (and wallet) friendly MINI showed up for less than $26K USD I’d be the first one on the waiting list.

=:¬) May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes

  2. Why should there be a premium?

  3. I guess the fact that it goes farther on a tank… DUH.

I’m thinking a little more thought in the question department would have been good, so that maybe a petition to BMW to suggest that the USA consumers are ready to buy it would be considered at all. Since MF is the top MINI blog and usually at the top of it’s game I find this not up to par but maybe, Don, you have more in store than what meets the eye here, I hope.

Dan MINI 35 May 30th, 2007 Link

I have a 03 MCS and I have a deposit on a Clubman already and would switch to a diesel in a minute.

I would expect to pay a small ($1000-$1200)premium.

600+ miles to a tank of fuel is fantastic. Diesel is less than regular the moment. Cheap, fast & fun!

Giskard May 30th, 2007 Link

1) Yes, in a heartbeat (I currently drive a 2006 MCS).
2) If performance was near MCS levels w/ almost double the fuel economy I would pay MCS prices.
3) Awesome fuel economy and great low end grunt - what’s not to like? Plus I could put a biodiesel blend in the tank and I’m sure it would be better towing a load (I do a fair amount of towing and utilize the factory roof rack on my MINI).

Matt May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes

  2. Hard to say, but I’d pay a fair-sized premium.

  3. Increased fuel economy.

Willy May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes I definitely would purchase a Mini Diesel - especially in Clubman version. I would be willing to pay
1000 to 1500 premium. I commute between 300 to 500 miles/week and the economy of a diesel would be a real plus.

Jeff May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, I owned a VW Beetle with the TDI engine and loved it.
  2. This is a given. Diesel technology is more expensive, so I would expect some premium.
  3. They are fun engines to drive. Lots of torque and great fuel economy. Only thing I miss is the sound of traditional gas engine with a free-flow exhaust.
Dustin in Ohio May 30th, 2007 Link

I recently contacted Mini USA with the following:

“I live in Ohio, I desperately desire a Mini Diesel. In fact, my next car will either be a diesel or a series hybrid with electric motor and generator range extender. As the second option unfortunately remains a dream at this point. I WILL be buying a diesel. My question is… will I be buying a Mini Diesel? Because if you offer it in the United States (Ohio specifically), I will buy one. Otherwise, I will likely end up with a VW or a Honda (in 2009). I want to buy now, but I am going to wait until a car is available that meets my desire for a clean, great fuel economy diesel (or plug in series hybrid with a internal combustion range extender). You have a great car and a great diesel engine. Please make it available to us here in the US.”

MINI USA Responded:

“Thanks for writing MINI. I appreciate that you want to motor with lower costs and less emissions!

I am sorry to say MINI Division currently has no plans to bring a diesel version of the MINI to the United States. But, we are looking into many new ideas for the future of MINI. Please stay in touch with us through MINIUSA.com for updates.”

It’s simple - A diesel will power my next vehicle. If it is the VW Jetta Sportwagen, so be it. I’d rather it be a Mini or Mini Clubman. The choice is Mini USA’s. My mind is already made up. I WANT the Mini or Mini Clubman. But getting 60mpgs in the VW Jetta Sportwagen will be an overriding concern. It is sad that Mini makes such a wonderful car and DECIDES not to sell it to us in the US. It is really a slap in the face.

But the ball is clearly in Mini’s court. If they sell it I will buy it, unless I have already bought a TDI VW.

Dustin in Ohio

Jon May 30th, 2007 Link

I would possibly consider a diesel, but I would require a good long test drive. The massive torque is appealing, as is the incredible mileage, but I would have to see, in person, just how it sounds and smells while running. I guess I still have a bit of that negativity towards diesels, no doubt due to my older, preconceived notions about diesel cars. Clattery engines, glow plugs, nasty black plumes of exhaust smoke… I know that diesel technology has gotten rid of most, if not all of these negatives, but again, I’d have to see it for myself.

I also wouldn’t want to give up performance. Now, if this Cooper D has near MCS performance, that would truly be having your cake and eating it too.

So, I would have to reserve judgement until test driving one.

VMMVMMM May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes, please!!!

UberFisch May 30th, 2007 Link
  • Own an ‘03 MCS, and an ‘06 Jetta TDI
    A Diesel Cooper would be MORE than worth it- It’s emissions are VERY impressive, and surprisingly powerful #’s to go along with its staggering fuel economy. A true feat in technology, and I must have one.
Mark May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes! a Cubman D. Would trade in my ‘04 MINI in a heartbeat.

Geo May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. I agree that the option of a diesel is very enticing, especially in the Clubman. My ‘04 S is currently at 95K and I’m already considering a Clubman when they arrive. My wife had an ‘86 Chev van with a 6.2l diesel we bought new and just retired last year with 290K. It averaged 20 mpg when its gas equivalent was getting 10-12 mpg. Diesel is currently so much more mature technology than a hybrid and gets the same if not better economy with proven reliability.
  2. I know a premium will be there because the scale of economy is not the same as a gas engine. Perhaps that differential will change as the buying public becomes aware of the advantages of diesel technology.
  3. I drive about 30K a year, need I say more.
TampaMCS May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes I would buy a diesel powered MINI, but only if I could option it out like the rest.

  2. I could stand to pay $500-1000 more. Any more than that and the fuel saving vs cost comes into question.

  3. Driving a diesel would save me about 100 a month in gas, and would probably be fun to mod.

gmini May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. yes.
  2. within reason.
  3. efficiency, greenery
Tony May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Absolutely. It’s the version I truly want, and I’ll be in the market for a MINI soon. I test drove a diesel Jetta several years ago, and aside from the reduced power, I didn’t notice any differences in exhaust smell. So, yeah, bring it on.

  2. Like some have said, probably $1 or 2k. Along the lines of what VW does with the diesel Jetta.

  3. I don’t drive a lot now, so it wouldn’t help much. But when I drive, I tend to take longer trips. I could do that more often or spend less. I’d love it. If nothing else, filling up is a chore. Fewer trips to the gas station would be great. That could be achieved through a larger tank, of course, but better fuel economy makes much more sense.

MWBmini May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. absolutely!
  2. Like gmini said, within reason
  3. would love the fuel economy! my commute is 100 miles round trip!

I would love one, like others have said, maybe even a clubman D!

kellyp May 30th, 2007 Link

yes

ukplyot May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Totally. I probably won’t buy another MINI once this one is worn out since I expect by then there will be better options, mileage-wise. But a diesel would change that completely.

  2. Some premium but not Prius-size.

  3. Mostly looking for better economy on my long commute.

2phun May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Absolutely.

  2. I wouldn’t have any problem paying and extra $1-2,000 or so for the D.

  3. Having the diesel would allow my family to become a 2 MINI family. My wife loves my S, but she is set on getting a hybrid as her next car. The Cooper in her mind just wasn’t a responsible choice, so MINIs were out of the running. When I told her about the D, she was excited! When I told her it wasn’t offered in the states, she went back to looking at hybrids.
chakaluka May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Absolutely. And I would hope that, like the VW TDIs, the engine is compatible with B100 (100% Biodiesel). That’s what I would run 95% of the time (”real” diesel for ski trips.)

  2. Zero.

  3. See 1, above. Mileage and the B100 option. I am most interested in being able to run biodiesel - roughly the same price, huge reductions in particulate and CO2 emissions, multiple pump vendors in my city, and awesome smelling exhaust.

Matt May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes
Some premium
The better economy all round is intriguing.

Steve May 30th, 2007 Link

Sorry, not interested in buying diesel at this time

Lower performance (although more torque)
Fuel is harder to find
Would not want to pay a premium over the MC

Diesel prices today seem to be about 70 cents cheaper than premium in chicagoland, but were about 70 cents more expensive 6 months ago

Hossam May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy a diesel or any alternative fuel mini for the sake of the technology and moving away from oil-based engines. Where in principle a reasonable premium is ok, I feel that the corporate side should take care of that after a great 50 year run of success and profits.

Greatbear May 30th, 2007 Link

1: Ya damn skippy. Diesel engines out-mileage hybrids in steady-state higway driving. Modern diesels have emissions profiles almost as good as those for gas engines, and have the potential to use renewable fuels with better returns overall. Plus, with the right performance upgrades, you can have your performance and still get incredible economy.

2: A reasonable premium. Of course, the diesel engine needs special emissions controls these days, and a good diesel engine is beefier built and subsequently costs more. No outrageous premium ‘just because they can charge it’ though.

3: I’ve been driving my diesel truck for over 18 years now. The mileage, durability and power have far outweighed the gas motor option and is still going strong. Diesel fuel can be found almost everywhere now, and biodiesel an option the fuel can reduce the impact on the environment.

OttoMannS May 30th, 2007 Link

60 positive (Shall we say 59 and counting) responses in less than 3 hours!

MINI, I think we have a strong case for Dooper availability in the US. :)

KKyle May 30th, 2007 Link

Along with most of the other posters… I would kill for a diesel clubman.

please… please… please… my 50-mile commute is begging you for something fun and fuel-efficient.

GeorgeCo May 30th, 2007 Link

Absolutely, I’d buy one. I’d prefer it in a Clubman so we can replace our Volvo wagon.

SrBlanco May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, regardless of gas price.
  2. A premium? I guess that really depends on the difference in manufacturing costs. I wouldn’t want to pay a premium just because it has D next to the Cooper logo.
  3. I have a long-ish commute on city streets so the monthly operating savings would be worth the purchase.
Day42 May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Would you seriously purchase a diesel powered MINI?
    *If your answer is no, would $5+ a gallon change
    your mind? I would definitely buy a diesel MINI, no matter what the price of gas was…especially if it’s performance was close to the MCS, and after-market performance goodies were to become available.

  2. What would you expect to pay as a premium for the
    Cooper D over the standard Cooper? If the diesel would be more expensive to manufacture, I would be willing to pay a premium…kind of cutting the difference in price of the MC & MCS in half…about $1625. Too expensive and people will gravitate towards the other models.

  3. How would driving a diesel benefit you? Obviously, the increased gas mileage would be excellent for me, and if it’s a clean burning & environmentally-friendly engine, it would benefit the earth and everyone living on it!

eto May 30th, 2007 Link

I’d consider the Cooper D, but the price would have to be nearer the Cooper than the S. I drive few enough miles that I would only have to fill a Cooper D once a month!!

Doug May 30th, 2007 Link

What would you expect to pay as a premium for the Cooper D over the standard Cooper?

What savings benefit is left if you’re paying a premium for the car and then a premium for the diesel fuel, which is also hard to find at gas stations? At that point, you’re dealing with the hybrid expense factor in a different way.

When they can make a diesel or a hybrid cost exactly the same, then it would be a great deal. Unrealistic, I know.

rabeekman May 30th, 2007 Link

sign me up for one, mini and bmw need to expand their stateside engine options.

Art May 30th, 2007 Link

1 yes
2 1-2 grand
3 I drive ~ 120 miles per day — my own financial savings as well as the environmental benefit

Justin Montoya May 30th, 2007 Link

1- YES, as long as it’s a turbo.
2- 1-2k
3- The wave of the future, can run on all sorts of types of diesel such as various bio diesel.

Scott C. Kennedy May 30th, 2007 Link

1) Yes, I would love a diesel Mini.
2) If the Diesel is more expensive to make then I would pay more.
3) Better mileage, better torque. Potentially lower cost in fuel.

Scott

Richard May 30th, 2007 Link

I’d trade my ‘04 MCS today and pay a premium to get the diesel.

MiniBeast May 30th, 2007 Link

1- Yes
2- 1-2k would not be too out of line
3- It does not just benefit me. It benefit’s us all with better gas mileage and cleaner air.
Why do we even have to beg to get these brought over here? I have a diesel truck for some of the very same reasons I want a diesel MINI. I have to tow a heavy load but I want the best fuel economy possible and it’s rated as cleaner than any of the current gas models on emmisions! I would love to trade our current sedan on a Diesel Clubman, but it really doesn’t sound like MINI is in the business of selling them!

FH May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes. I have both e-mailed MINI USA about this, and called up my MA to order one if it ever gets released in the US.
  2. $1-2k.

  3. Increased fuel efficiency, and the ability to use biodiesel.

lavardera May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. well, I just bought one a cooper, but next time it would be considered/

  2. about the same as an S

  3. ability to use bio-diesel and fryer oil makes it more appealing.

paullees May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. I have a 2006 MCS, I am not currently tempted by the petrol powered offerings, sure they are faster and a bit more efficient, but I am happy. However a performance diesel with that great gas mileage, particularily with the August 07 update would get me very excited. We currently are a one car family considering a second car and a Diesel Mini would come in right at the top of the consideration list. I live in San Francisco and I must admit the level of peoples excitement when I tell them about the new diesel is very high and they are always asking “but why can’t I get one here?”

  2. Similar percentage level to the UK pricing.

  3. Higher gas mileage, lower CO2, a happy planet!

ejkd May 30th, 2007 Link

I will trade-in my 07 MCS immediately & get the D as long as price is reasonable.

Radley May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. If I couldn’t get an S i would but the D instead.

  2. In between the standard Cooper and Cooper S

  3. Amazing gas milage, less trips to the gas station, which means more cash in my pocket….which I like.

ichor May 30th, 2007 Link

i would be buy one. infact i think a more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly option would be the only way to get me out of my r53 and into an r56. i would pay up to $2k premium but don’t really see why there should be one…

amazingrando May 30th, 2007 Link

If it performs like an S. Then sign me up, I want one!

sdb May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. yes
  2. ~$1000
  3. 84 mile/day commute
    I would seriously consider a Clubman Diesel.
Vanwall May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy one, even at a coupla grand more, altho I don’t think thats needed, and I drive a lot - 100,000+ on my ‘02 Cooper already, so mileage would be attractive. Owned a diesel before, and it’s really not much different as a day to day car. Low redline means nothing to an old BMC ‘A’ block pilot like me - grunt in traffic is always appreciated.

BCNU,
Rob in Dago

DesignIt May 30th, 2007 Link

I would not be interested in a diesel unless MINI has created a truly low-NOx, low-particulate output, non-clattering diesel. The only emissions component that I have seen referred to is the CO2 output. The reduction in CO2 is great, but there are more pollution issues concerning diesels than just CO2. You can read more about this and the efforts being made to clean up diesels in the US here
There are also health concerns regarding diesel emissions that you can see herec=dvLUK9O0E&b=36089

I applaud MINI’s efforts to create a high-mileage, low emissions car. However, I would like to know the entire story on the MINI D emissions including how the NOx and particulate output compare to the gasoline powered versions. Does anyone have access to this information, or links that could provide this info?

Thanks,
John

steveo May 30th, 2007 Link

1)Yes
2) 1-2K
3) Driving efficiency. Help the environment. Have an engine that will last. Be the coolest kid on the block :).

Please, oh please, please…. make mine a Mini turbo Diesel!!

DesignIt May 30th, 2007 Link

Sorry, the second link in my comment above is broken. It should be be available here

Hank May 30th, 2007 Link

I currently have 3 cars, 2006 MCS, 2005 HEMI Durango, and a 2000 VW TDI, I love to drive the bug, it is my daily commuter never getting less then 46MPG! When i bought in new in 1999 the diesel was $1,000 more. It is still going strong after 155,000 miles.

Remember that diesels are MOD friendly poping in new nozzles in about 30 min is like putting a pulley on a MCS!

  1. YES!!
  2. Yes did it before will do it again.
  3. I see this every day now. 75 miles at 48MPG is 1.56 Gallons at $2.99 is $4.67 a day.

My MCS gets 26-27 MPG that is 2.77 gallons of High-test 2.77 at $3.40 is $9.40 a day saving me $23.87 a week or $1,100 a year!

Evan May 30th, 2007 Link

I would certainly buy a diesel MINI. I drove a diesel Renault last summer and the engine was amazing- smooth, not smelly, and super efficient with 44+mpg doing 80-90mph on the autoroutes plus much city driving. A diesel MINI is a no brainer. And as said before, a diesel R55 would be even better. And the sports suspension & LSD should be made available too.

The price premium should be no more than $1200.

The benefits are the torque- so great around town, along with the ecomony. Imagine spending about the same cash to fill the tank yet getting an extra 10-12mpg extending the range by about 120miles! I’ll be doing more lengthy drives and the added economy without a lack of pulling power is something I don’t think I could hold out for. The only temptation would be a 320d….or a 335d… BMW? MINI? Please?

banjoez May 30th, 2007 Link

Can someone here with connections to MINI/BMW start an online petition for anyone interested in purchasing a MINI D in the US/Canada that could be presented to corporate? I know it might fall on deaf ears and there may be unsurmountable roadblocks (air quality restrictions in certain states, the availability of low-sulfur diesel as mentioned before) but who knows? At least it’s worth a try.

Kurt May 30th, 2007 Link

I have a MC. It’s more than fine - fun and sporting for me, with great acceleration.
So yes, if MINI made a D that delivered the same, I would buy it without hesitation. I shouldn’t be much more than an MC, though.

zzMini May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Would you seriously purchase a diesel powered MINI?
    ABSOLUTELY! Already own a 2002 diesel VW Golf.

  2. What would you expect to pay as a premium for the Cooper D over the standard Cooper?
    NONE - Diesel engines are cheaper to build - get real…

  3. How would driving a diesel benefit you?
    Cheaper to run and maintain, longer drives bewtween fillups, and mostly, a small step towards less dependance on the mideast.

As to concerns over availability, Diesel is getting easier to find, and with only minor planning, we have found theit to be not an issue at all.

PaulGraz May 30th, 2007 Link

People, the Cooper D is already available in Europe. It does NOT perform like an S - read the reviews that are out there. Driving a diesel is different. For some, the lower performance is well worth the increase in economy.

That being said,

  1. YES
  2. $1-1.5K premium would be acceptable.
  3. My commute is 58 miles each way. Do the math. The benefit would be enourmous just for the cost savings alone.

(Heck, I’d buy an all-electric MINI if it was feasable)

DB May 30th, 2007 Link

Wow! What an impressive array of comments. Thanks gang!

I’d buy one, especially if it were priced between the Cooper and the MCS. Preferably a Clubman. With the miles I drive (156K since March ‘03), this would save me a considerable amount of money, not to mention the other benefits (ability to use bio-diesel being one of them).

Keep those comments coming!

James May 30th, 2007 Link

1 yes

2 on a par with what Europeans pay (or don’t). There should be a greater penalty than having to buy more gas for driving inefficient vehicles.

3 time to go greener.

I’m not sure I’d ultimately want a MINI with all that torque and nowhere to go, though.

Brian May 30th, 2007 Link

I have an 03 MCS, not planning on selling it ever nor buy an new MCS. But if the Diesel comes to US I would buy it. Cant be too expensive compared to the Cooper since it would defeat the purpose of the extra fuel economy.

If it were up to me all cars should move to Diesel technology and reserve regular petrol engines for special applications where necessary.

The US congress is debating legislation to raise the national fuel economy from 27.5 MPG today to 34 MPG by the year 2016 (I think thats the year) and automakers are going crazy saying that they cant do it. I say BS! Just start making more engines Diesel!

Mini2Go May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes, we’d buy a Cooper D. It would be my wife’s daily commuter and our “trip” car. I would keep my ‘05 MCS.

Would pay a smallish ($1k-$1.5K) premium if necessary.

Benefits are similar to what everyone else has said. My wife tends to keep her vehicles forever, so the durability of a diesel engine and the timeless styling of a MINI makes for a great combination that will last.

Larry May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Would you seriously purchase a diesel powered MINI? Yes. My next car will be a diesel! I have had diesels in the past and I am anxious for the car companies to bring over the good European diesels.
    If your answer is no, would $5+ a gallon change your mind?
  2. What would you expect to pay as a premium for the Cooper D over the standard Cooper? About the same as the UK. If the premium is too large, it would not be worth it.
  3. How would driving a diesel benefit you? I drive about 30,000 miles a year; the greater gas mileage and engine longevity will translate into $ saved.

Mini, it is up to you if you want to keep me as a customer. Make mine an AWD Clubman diesel.

Alan Smithee May 30th, 2007 Link

As a current MB E320 CDI owner considering the addition of an R56 MCS to the stable, I’d definitely consider a Mini diesel if it was available. However, like the MB, any price increase over the standard model would have to be minimal, and definitely less than the MCS.

I haven’t read through the 100 previous posts, so this may have already been mentioned…but as I understand it, the reason the X5 is the only current BMW diesel scheduled for US sale is because of the less strict emissions requirements for light trucks. None of the cars will pass, the Mini included. Unfortunately, being a brand new model, I doubt the Mini D will be re-engineered anytime soon to comply with US regs.

heyduard May 30th, 2007 Link

yes. bring the oil burner here!!

Higher mileage is a definite plus, esp for Mini motoring meets. :D

Jeff May 30th, 2007 Link

Absolutely I would buy a Cooper D, assuming all of the options (not realated to the engine) are kept the same as the MC and MCS.

Ken May 30th, 2007 Link

I want to be the one hundred and first to say,
“I could do a Diesel.”

SB May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, but not to replace the MCS. My wife would drive it and it would become our vacation car of choice.

  2. The main reason, imo, to purchase a diesel is to save money. So I wouldn’t expect to pay a premium to save fuel. Something that I don’t understand about hybrids. You can get a Camry for around $20k but a hybrid Camry runs in excess of $26k. Listed at 14 mpg better in the city. It would take a lot of miles to justify the premium paid for hybrid.

  3. Saving money obviously. As said earlier. It would not only be used for daily commuting but also vacation. My wife also keeps her cars for a while. Except this time around as nothing out there excited her so she leased a Jetta. She’ll be turning it in next year so have the diesels ready, db. So a diesel sounds more appropriate than a hybrid to someone who keeps a car a long time

Plus I’d love to get that thing on the dragon. And if the diesel ever materializes over here and we get one. I can guarantee it’ll hit the dragon shortly after break-in. :)

Sam H. May 30th, 2007 Link

I would purchase a diesel powered Mini if my regular commute changed. Currently I fill up about once a month, and $50 bucks per fill-up every 300 or so miles puts a lump in my throat.

I would expect to pay $1-3K over a standard Cooper.

As for right now, my commuting costs center more around public transit. However, this situation could change at any time, and if so, I would seriously consider something more fuel efficient than my current R53…and currently a VW would be at the top of my list.

Looking at the true fuel range for Hybrid technology (real world results seem to be consistantly around 41 mpg for the Toyota Prius, and not @ 50-60 as claimed), I would prefer to rely on diesel technology for proven mpg results versus that of hyped hybrid technology. I am interested to see what the MPG ranges will be on the window stickers of ‘08 hybrids when the standard MPG measurement changes take effect.

mapleleaf May 30th, 2007 Link

Currently we are a two MINI family. Mine is an 2004 MCS w/JCW and just shy of 90k miles. My wife has an 2006 MCS convertible. I don’t plan on driving my 2004 forever and am looking at a replacement for it around 2009 or 2010. I love the JCW but have changed jobs since getting it and find myself driving 35,000 to 40,000 miles per year. Not exactly what I had in mind when getting the JCW package. I want my next car to be another MINI and would definitely consider the MINI D.

As most people here have stated, I would be willing to pay between $1000-$1500 more for the D over the Cooper.

As stated earlier, I drive 35,000-40,000 miles per year but my company pays for my fuel. While I would not benefit financially from switching to a vehicle that would double my current MPG I would still want to do it just to know I am doing my part to help cut our demand on foreign oil and reduce emissions all while driving a MINI, the only car out there I really want to own.

Max May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. I would definitely consider purchasing a diesel MINI. It would make a great companion to my Cooper S.
  2. I would pay $1,000 to $1,500.
  3. With summer gas prices, add a hurricane in the Gulf and you’re talking about $4.00+/gal. easy. Heck, any diesel automobile would be welcomed.
Josh May 30th, 2007 Link

1a. No, I just bought an R56. However I know two people who would love a chance to get their hands on a diesel Mini. Both have (IMO) extremely long commutes, and neither want boring econo-boxes.

1b. If gas was $5/Gal. would I buy? No. I don’t drive enough to save any kind of money over what I would lose trading in the R56. If the option would have been available this spring, I probably would have gotten one though.

  1. Nothing. I’d expect it to be the same price as the Cooper / One. They’re just bolting in a different engine, and the point of a fuel efficient car is to save money all around.

  2. Personally, I would only save a few fuel-ups a year. My commute is short and I rarely take long trips. My friends I wrote of earlier though can see the benefits and are hoping this car coming to America.

Thanks,
J

jason May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, I would buy one

  2. $1000 - $1500 premium

  3. My wife commutes 70 miles a day (all interstate), so that would certainly save money. Plus, torque is fun.
Beavers May 30th, 2007 Link

1) Oh Yes
2) I’ll pay up to S price for it
3) I am in my car 2 hours a day, and gas ain’t gettin’ cheaper here in DC. I want a Mini I can convert to BIODIESEL!!!

Beavers

Robert May 30th, 2007 Link

I would love to have the diesel in the states. Especially a Clubman D. I would pay the 1-2 grand more in a heartbeat.

Chun Ko May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, I will buy one.

  2. $1,000 more

  3. Save on gas, environment.

HLS May 30th, 2007 Link

I would buy a MINI D in a second! I would pay a 1k-2k premium, based on the fact that you make up for it in the saved money at the pump after a few years and the resale value of a diesel is known to be higher than a gasoline engine. I have been waiting for the new VWs to come out, but a MINI D would override that choice by far. I just think anything to save $$$ at the pump and help our environment is a good thing! :)

Evan May 30th, 2007 Link

The premium is not for the engine as much as it for the advanced and more complicated emissions equipment required for a diesel above and beyond a petrol engine. Catalytic converters are very, very expensive nowadays.

Please bring over a diesel MINI. Thank you.

AJ May 30th, 2007 Link

on another note, a hybrid with a diesel engine instead of the typical engine they use, so you’re either electric or on diesel? I’m going to go out on a limb and say you could push the 100 MPG barrier with that

dr maz May 30th, 2007 Link

I guess this is our de facto petition, so yeah, sign me up– I want the diesel Mini here in the usa. My next car will be diesel, it’d be great if it were a Mini– you listening BMW?

pghjake May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes

  2. $1K - $2K

  3. I get the MINI and the wife inherits the Prius!

David R May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. YES. I have already emailed MINI and my MA that my next MINI purchase (have a 2005 MCS) will be a Cooper D, or no sale.

  2. Cost should be commensurate with the cost of production. Since MINI will sell a huge number of D’s in Europe, I expect that to be not more than $1k-2k over the Cooper.

  3. Fuel savings, range, resale value, low carbon emissions, TORQUE!!

Please make all the MCS options, especially LSD (to handle all that torque) available.

Ultra-low sulfur fuel is available in almost every station in California, and it is currently about $.50/gallon less than regular gasoline.

MINI - BE A LEADER ON THIS! It will pay off in the long term.

Paul C. May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. I might not buy one but I know my Dad would so that’s why I’m posting. I’m waiting for the AWD 260hp Mini :o)

  2. I wouldn’t expect a “D” to be but an option or package upgrade from a basic Cooper. say $2000 more.

  3. I find it as a necessity if gas become upwards of $5 plus dollars which I believe will happen in the next two years. I just moved to Michigan and I find it amazing that Diesel out here is so lopsided in price compared to regular gas. It’s a real save money in your pocket situation that will become more of a reality to more people then they expect.

MBR May 30th, 2007 Link

PLEASE???

I’ll do “whatever” it takes!!

Cooper D for 2nd MINI!!!!!!

America ** YEAH!!!

Jeff R May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Would you seriously purchase a diesel powered MINI?

Yes, I would buy a diesel MC in a heartbeat!

  1. What would you expect to pay as a premium for the Cooper D over the standard Cooper? I’m not sure of the manufacturing costs of a diesel engine along with all of the necessary emissions changes, computer changes, suspension upgrades and so forth but I can’t imagine it being more than $3-5k US. Even at $5k, IMHO it would be well worth it.

  2. How would driving a diesel benefit you? I would be able to travel a LOT more. My commute to work is less than 8 miles, round trip but I love to go up to the mountains for a weekend as often as possible and a MCD would make it more affordable for me.

BMW, we Americans are ready for this car! I personally love my R56 MCS but with premium gasoline at $3.39+ per gallon, even averaging 32mpg in mixed city/interstate driving, I can’t go as far afield as I would like to.

charlie May 30th, 2007 Link

ok go for the deisel .
cheaper
smellier
more torque

bavarian racing green May 30th, 2007 Link

…i have a 06 MCS and had a 03 MC…

…if a diesel were offered via MINI in the USA i can guarantee that–>

…I would buy a Diesel Clubman (keeping the MCS!!)…

…my dad would sell his Jetta TDI and buy a regular diesel MC…

…my brother would buy a diesel Clubman (selling his Mazda 3)…

…then again we’re MINI enthusiasts with a german attitude…

Dave Mac Mini May 30th, 2007 Link

Let’s do some math.

Assume 12K miles per year, which is about an average figure.
If a Cooper could average 40 mpg, and fuel cost $3.50 per gallon, you would use 300 gallons per year at a cost of $1050.00
If the diesel averaged 60 mpg, and diesel cost $2.50 per gallon, you would use 200 gallons per year at a cost of $500.00
Your annual saving would be $550.00, so over 3 years you would save $1650.00.

If you pay less than $1650.00 premium to get the diesel, it would be financially a reasonable thing to do, assuming you would keep the car for three years. If you plan on keeping it longer, you start to make money. Of course, if you are a high mileage driver, the pay back will come sooner.

These are all estimates, for illustration purposes only. Your mileage will vary. So will fuel prices. My point is, there will likely be up to a three year pay back if you buy a diesel, and diesels are not “greener” when it comes to emissions. You will not get MCS performance, not likely even Cooper performance, it will be noisier, and in very cold climates, probably harder to start in the winter. Sure, it’s great to pay less at the pump, but if you pay more up front then you are deluding youself into thinking you are saving money. In our area, diesel fuel is about 45 cents a gallon less than regular, not even close to a dollar less, but I have seen it priced higher than regular many times in the past, so those savings are difficult to predict.

Bottom line, no oil burner for me. Hybrids are even sillier, but that’s another story for another day.

kcollins May 30th, 2007 Link

The US market needs a boutique sporty diesel model that gets 60 mpg. I would sell my 07 Cooper S in a heartbeat for a Cooper D.

Crusoe May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes
  2. Diesels always cost more. ~$2000 is fine. Why, who knows?
  3. Tax cut, less fuel consumption, save myself some money… after ~40000 miles for paying for the diesel engine premium.

BUT the Mini Cooper D is too small of a car to to pass in the US. Emmissions are almost entirely and stupidly based on cargo capacity of the vehicle. So you can have your super “dirty” 10 Cyl Cummins Diesel Super Cab Truck but you can’t have a extra clean Cooper. The Clubman might just squeek by.
Lastly, it’s silly MINI USA doesn’t allow where it’s allowed. Most of us had to order our car and wait months to get it anyway.

rustysteel May 30th, 2007 Link

I’ve owned diesel VW’s in the past and always appreciated there frugalness. But living in a colder climate (Great white north) always proved to be difficult for the VW’s. Between making sure the car had the block heater plugged in at night to using special additives for the fuel, not as convenient as hoped. But the benefits of great gas mileage and durability were also there. I think a Cheap MINI (the ‘One’ sold only in Europe) would be my answer. No Frills style car with less options (wind up windows?) would be alot lighter and therefore much better on fuel and even performance. Do we really need all those options? (other than maybe A/C) For me the answer is no but that’s just me.

Michael May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. I would absolutely buy one.
  2. If the premium was under $1k, I would buy.
  3. Save my diollars, I have a 50 mile commute one way, plus it would help the environment
Teresa May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes I would purchase a MINI D if they became available in the US. I would hope that if they cost more, it is a minimal increase. I would be buying it strictly for the increased gas mileage.

Tim in MD May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, yes and yes. Especially if it was available in the Clubman.

  2. I’d say about the same as the VW gas/diesel difference…no more than $1500.

  3. Gas mileage. Anything over 40 mpg would save a lot on my commute and my regular trips from Aberdeen Md to DC and Northern Va for work.

matt May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. probably not, not even with fuel at $5 a gallon. i don’t drive that much and the particulate emissions of diesel bothers me.

  2. 2nd gabe, D = S.

  3. it’d be cheaper to run, granted, but not enough affect to make a change for me.

LL May 30th, 2007 Link

If there is one, I would go and buy one right now.
Like most people have indicated, price point should probably be beween MC and MCS
Several benefits I see from Diesel:

Diesel engines are more efficient — so you get more energy from the same amout of fuel, which directly translates into savings in fuel costs.
Because of the way diesel engines are built, they tend to have longer life span than their typical gasoline counter parts, which in turn means savings in maintenance costs as well as the long-term usefulness of the car itself.
Diesel engines are better at adapting to alternative fuels, such as biodiesel or vegetable oil-derived fuels, so it will not be constrained (as much) by the availability of fossil-based fuel sources. Again, this goes to extend the life span/usefulness of the car.
Diesel engines do not exclude the possibility of a hybrid — ever thought of diesel hybrid? Imagine the fuel efficiency of diesel engine combined with energy savings of a hybrid.

Jpolson May 30th, 2007 Link

YES,YES,YES Bring one here!!

Chuck May 30th, 2007 Link

1).I would absolutely buy one.

2).About a $1,000 more

3).Save on gas and the environment

AN May 30th, 2007 Link

What’s the record for most comments on a story? Do we have a winner?

DB May 30th, 2007 Link

Not even close, but the day isn’t over yet.

BTW, the comment record is 196 on the Name the Long Wheel Base MINI post from last June.

Pete May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes (clubman please)
  2. No, not if it didn’t cost more to produce. Sales volume opens marketing opportunities, to position the brand to appeal to a completely new market in the US
  3. Cleaner environment, lessen dependence on unstable regions for fuel, and I would try and use as much bio fuel as possible to support renewable energy

Nice work DB - thanks for posing the question to the silent majority out here -

steveo May 30th, 2007 Link

Thought I would just point out that if the Cooper Diesel came to the US it would likely have the 13.2 Gallon fuel tank. At 60 miles per gallon, that means we could see approximately 800 miles in a single fill up!

Whoa…

jillebean May 30th, 2007 Link

I too would SERIOUSLY consider it. I have an ‘06 MCS and wouldn’t want to loose the performance but have a 66 mile round trip commute. 60 mpg over 28 sounds good to me, plus diesel engines last forever. A $1500 premium sounds about right, that is around what VW is getting. When I went from my ‘00 Beetle to the Mini, I had actually looked at another Beetle in a Diesel but was too late. They get snatched up before they even make it to the states, it is about impossible to get one on a whim from a dealer (just sitting on a lot). My husband snatched up a Diesel Jeep Liberty before they disappeared, he loves it. A friend of ours sold a Jetta Diesel he bought used for more than he paid for it after putting another 75,000+ and three/four years on it. There is something to be said for an engine that is just breaking in at 100,000+ miles rather than breaking down.

chakaluka May 30th, 2007 Link

BMW, please certify for at least B20.

Guerry May 30th, 2007 Link

I have been begging Long Beach Mini to go to bat for us since I heard about the awesome MPG of the diesel. I would buy a Mini Clubman diesel in a New York minute! Please Mini/BMW, please!

Bob May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. The prices are high enough. I would buy one.
  2. I would expect to pay around $1500 more for a “D” than a Cooper.
  3. Mostly mileage around town although highway mileage would be phenomenal.
Ken B. May 30th, 2007 Link

I’d definitely buy a diesel Cooper. I have a 42 mile round trip to work and back. I bought my new ‘07 Cooper S with the great gas mileage in mind, and besides the car is just totally sexy. I’d expect to pay the same for a Cooper D as a Cooper S. Both are premium cars. The Cooper D would offer outstanding mileage and it’s sexy good looks, where as the Cooper S is still great on gas, just a blast to drive and just down right sexy.

One thing I just don’t understand is WHY???? we can’t get great gas mileage cars in the US?? There out there and the Cooper is just a blast to drive. We live in an age where global warming is a huge issue ,so WHY??? can’t we get these cars in the US????? The Cooper D would offer a near 40% reduction in CO2 emissions over my Cooper S, so again my question is WHY???? What’s wrong with our country in getting these great gas mileage cars to the US???? Seems like the oil companies have to much of grip on our nation, and our government has miss directed moral values. We can let companies like GM build gas hog Hummers that get less than 10 MPG, and more than likely put out as much as 5 times more CO2 than cars like the Cooper D, so what’s wrong with this picture in not letting the Cooper D in the US????

I can’t tell you how much I just love my Cooper S. I get 33-34 MPG just running around to work and back. I’ve had it out on the road once where I got 38.5 MPG. A Cooper D that would get 60 would be better than any Pris I’ve heard of. Several people at work have Prius’s and they don’t get the 60 they claim to get, and then you have that battery issues. Don’t get me wrong here, I’m all for cars like the Prius in helping save our environment; however, when there are cars out there like the Cooper D which will deliver the same environmently friendly CO2 emissions, plus not have the worry of all those batteries, another environmental issue, then WHY???? the Sam hell will our country not allow GREAT CARS like the Cooper D in???? God I LOVE MY MINI!!!!!! Ken…….

MINIBro May 30th, 2007 Link

Like Nike “Just Do It!”

PRPLITO MINI May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes, I would buy. Do you need a deposit today?

I would pay whatever premium is standard for a diesel vs gas engine.

The best benefit would be to the environment and to lowering dependence on foreign oil.

Jim W. May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, I would SERIOUSLY consider a D…

No- I WILL buy one! Currently we are only a one MINI family- the chance to get a new generation and a gas-sipper together is too hard to pass up.

  1. I expect a $1000 premium would be about right, but I don’t know engine design costs. It may take away leather seats, unless I splurge.

  2. My 06 MCS (love it) is not exactly a gas mizer. For the everyday car or the long trip car, the D would give me the thrills without the bill$. …Oh and I think the high performance SMALL engine, diesel or unleaded, is the future of autos, for the next 50 years or so.

Bring the D to the US!

AnyMiniMineyMo May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. In a heartbeat.

  2. $500 - $1000

  3. Fuel economy and the satisfation of being able to limit the thievery of the rapacious oil cartel.

steve May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes
  2. Yes, but only maybe $1-2K
  3. Mileage plus the good torque.
Jim W. May 30th, 2007 Link

As far as what we can do… isn’t there a government agency building around D.C. where we can stage a MINI protest? Could we at least flood their agency with some e-mails?

Thinking small…

gruswitz May 30th, 2007 Link

1) I’d buy a Clubman D in a second. In fact, I will most likely hang onto my ‘05 MC until a Clubman D arrives in the US.
2) I’d pay $1K-2K more, but I’d agree that matching the S would make sense.
3) I normally drive my cars until they drop rather than upgrading mid-life, but for the torque, passenger room, and fuel efficiency, I’d have to upgrade.

David R May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. YES. My next Mini will be a Cooper D! Get it done, BMW!

  2. Whatever the actual difference in construction cost comes to. Diesels are somewhat more expensive than the equivalent gas engine.

  3. Fuel efficiency, range, torque, low CO2 output, longevity, resale value.

Here in N. California, ultra-low sulfur diesel is very common and now is $.50/gal lower than regular gasoline.

Ron Arnold May 30th, 2007 Link

Hmmm, lookee what popped up this evening, an interesting single pipe Cooper in Cali…and an interesting double pipe ?

http://www.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=633

Bobby May 30th, 2007 Link

I own a 2002 Cooper. I would buy a diesel version tomorrow if it were available. I live in Los Angeles and the such a car is very desirable given the driving conditions in Southern California. BMW Group have lost my mindshare. They need to regain it back by offering these types of choices regarding efficiency. Yes, the consumer likes power. However, it is no longer justifiable to use as an excuse to build mediocre cars in terms of fuel efficency. Change the campaign from “We are an independent company”, We can Say No”, to something more tangible: Like Toyota- even though they do not make particularly attractive cars, they have the progressive consumer’s mind-share. When I think of Toyota, I think they are building and selling efficient cars. MINI is THE brand to capitalise on the notion of efficency (with design to boot). BMW’s cars will need to compete in this new landscape as well. At this point, BMW Group is appearing to be behind (regardless of what is around the corner or in their labs).

MINItron May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. YES!!!!!! Make mine a Cooper D now!!!!

  2. I would happily pay Cooper S price for a Cooper D with R56 Cooper S torque, and performance goodies.

  3. I had a 2000 Jetta tdi for several years. I miss the mileage, and I miss the unbelievable torque. It never ceased to amaze me how an automatic car with that small of an engine, and that little HP, and that much weight could be so snappy, and so fun to drive.

ocho9 May 30th, 2007 Link

I have been thinking of purchasing a MINI again. My first 2002 went back lemon law. I drive a Honda Element and I was thinking of adding a second car for drives that I don’t need the space. I was thinking a car for fun and the Mini S. Since I read the post on the diesel at 60mpg. Even if it is a bit slower I would go with that. It gets pretty much twice the gas mileage of the other coopers.

Tom May 30th, 2007 Link

Maybe.

We shouldn’t trivialize the issues related to overcoming NOx and particulate emissions. These aren’t easy to overcome. They are the reason that we haven’t been able to buy a diesel car in MA (or CA, NY, etc) for some time, and the reason why the next generation of diesels that will appear will be high-dollar Benzes where the cost of a helluva lot of technology can be buried in the sticker - all of the filters and traps and catalysts and electronics are piled on top of the extra cost inherent in building a high compression engine. I have worked extensively with one of the big diesel truck engine manufacturers, and while it’s certainly possible to overcome the hurdles, it simply isn’t that easy or cheap. We’ve added close to $5K in cost making medium duty diesels meet the 2007 emissions standards. While the added cost would be significantly less in a passenger car (where production volumes might be much higher) it would be more than the $1500 figure that most here would see as a reasonable premium.

Yes, diesels are more efficient in terms of power production. Yes, they create less CO2 per unit of power. But they do not burn cleanly. Are the Europeans more advanced than the US because they put more emphasis on CO2 and overall fuel consumption? Yes. Are they more advanced because they have historically been more lax in regulating NOx and particulates? No.

I was skeptical of the hybrid and fuel cell solutions at first, and these solutions will likely never work for torque-heavy applications like over the road trucks. But I’ve come to appreciate what Toyota in particular has accomplished. Yes, those battery packs are expensive and heavy. But in the end they may prove to be as workable a solution as a well-designed diesel with a urea catalyst and a bunch of other environmentally necessary add-ons.

Adam D. May 30th, 2007 Link

1)Yes, my wife would get rid of our guzzling Landrover Disco and she would buy a four wheel drive Clubman D
2) Depending upon the market and demand-2k-3k over
3) Mileage, Global warming guilt cleanser,Mini coolness (She loves my 05 Mcsc) and so do I

ausalan May 30th, 2007 Link
  1. Yes.
  2. $1K to $1.5K seems reasonable.
  3. The fuel economy is appealing for environmental and geopolitical reasons, if not economic ones. At ~8K miles per year, gasoline ranks well below depreciation in my total cost-of-ownership calculation, even with gas at $5/gallon. But the main appeal to me is the torque curve. I drive mostly below 3000 rpm, where I would expect the new Cooper D to offer better acceleration than my 2005 MCS — with half the fuel consumption.
David98407 May 30th, 2007 Link

Yes, I think I would buy a Mini Cooper D. I also think making that available in all body types (Clubman, Convertible and Coupe) would be good.

The fuel efficiency is critical and a step in the direction of energy independence.

Ro May 31st, 2007 Link

If 50-60 mpg is achievable in real world driving, I would definitely buy a Cooper D. As long as it isn’t too much more expensive than a base S, I am all for it. It beats hybrid technology hands down in my eyes.

Jim (Zyamfier) May 31st, 2007 Link
  1. I would seriously consider the D. My current 05 S does fine for me. Loan is paid off this December soo… what is the next choice….Clubman D with a roof rack? Maybe.
  2. $1500-$2000
  3. Pulling my teardrop camper (DB when are you going to get one?) always looking for a way to improve the economy when going on long trips with the trailer.
David Lalonde May 31st, 2007 Link
  1. Yes, I am looking to purchase a diesel powered MINI and would even consider importing a used diesel MINI from Europe.

  2. Higher gas prices would have some influence. I already drive a hybrid, that helps, but I am commuting a lot more and spending ~$50 a week on gas in Vancouver, BC, Canada.

  3. I do not think the diesels should be a premium over the gas versions, but I would likely be willing to pay up to $2,000 more MSRP, but I would hope the MINI D would qualify for an extra $500 rebate from the Canadian federal program for purchasing new fuel efficient vehicles.

  4. I want to drive a diesel to reduce the amount of fuel used and to provide an engine capable of using flex-fuels (biodiesel, B5, B20, B50, B100) to further reduce my impact on emissions of green house gases and soot particles.

M. Dillon May 31st, 2007 Link

Question#1: Yes. Yes I would. At the end of this year,I will be done with paying off,”Sade”. I’m looking either to trade her in;or,get a second MINI. The MINI D would be a PERFECT FIT for me.

Question#2: I would pay anywhere between $1500-$2500 over the entry level,base MINI Cooper. Besides,if it’s true that one can get at least 60MPG off the MINI D,I would get that money back,and more,in the form of cost savings. Plus,being a former U.S. Soldier,this would be another statement to Big Oil that,”…you’ll be getting less money from me…”

Question#3: See answer to Question#2;plus,I would be doing my part to make the environment a tad bit better.

Shamus May 31st, 2007 Link

Count me in!!!!

  1. I’m about to put my order in for an R56 “S” right now, but if the Diesel were offered, I’d change my order immediately!

  2. I’d like to see it offered with more standard features, like the S for around $1000-$1500 more than the Cooper, but slightly less than the S.

  3. I love the around-town torque and killer fuel economy, especially here in hilly San Francisco! The Diesel is perfect stop-and-go city car.

Please, please, please bring this car to California.

Bob May 31st, 2007 Link

I would put a deposit down today to get a Mini Diesel. Sixty MPG would make a significant difference in my driving cost and help the environmental situation. With the advertised torque it would still be a fun car to drive, of course with the S suspension.
BMW….do your demographics, this would be a winner.

Dick Kershaw May 31st, 2007 Link

Yes, I would buy one. I didn’t realize there was no plan to bring them to the US.

I don’t understand why there would be a premium but I’d look for no more than #500-600.

I’d prefer an economical diesel over an electric hybrid. I see less complexity and more longevity with a Mini D.

Thameth May 31st, 2007 Link

Even though the MINI D isn’t currently available in the US its on my list of vehicles to replace my current 05 MCS as a daily driver when it gets retired to Autox/Track/Fun driving duty.

I have hope that the MINI community will come together and prove to MINIUSA/BMW that we can sustain sales of a 60mpg MINI! I also know a few coworkers that would much rather drive a diesel than a hybrid. I currently own an MCS so paying a bit of a premium for a Cooper is no problem.

MINIUSA, SO US THE DIESEL!!!!!!

DB May 31st, 2007 Link

Pulling my teardrop camper (DB when are you going to get one?)

As soon as I get my Clubman D ;)

L May 31st, 2007 Link

Would you seriously purchase a diesel powered MINI?

yes i would

If your answer is no, would $5+ a gallon change your mind?

What would you expect to pay as a premium for the Cooper D over the standard Cooper?

not much more…if the standard is 20k then i would go as far as 21k

How would driving a diesel benefit you?

greatly..i drive a lot and this owuld benefit my mpg’s greatly workin in the suburbs and living in the city

John May 31st, 2007 Link

I would buy one for sure!

$1500 premium

I don’t drive that much but love
small cars & greatly enjoyed my
“99″ VW Golf TDI

Polizei May 31st, 2007 Link

I think brining over the MINI D would be a GREAT idea! People are always complaining about gas prices, so why not bring over a fun car like the MINI in a form that gets great mpg?

I’ll be sticking with my 03′ MCS…but I think a lot of people would jump on a MINI D.

James May 31st, 2007 Link

1: ABSOLUTELY!!! And as an MA, I can assure you there is interest from the public. Even in Metropolitan New York - there is great interest.

2: I would expect people to very willing to spend $2000-$3500 upfront for the MINI D.

3: Diesel fuels not only will lower the prices we pay for filling our cars, but will also greatly appeal to those looking for an environmentally friendly alternative. MINI drivers are NOT JUST performance nuts - there are droves of people looking for a fuel efficient small premium car, and having 60+ mpg available in the MINI line up is going to seriously make it stand out from Japanese and American hybrids.

Furthermore, as the costs of Hybrid battery disposal and replacement become big news in the next year, MINI could seriously capitalize on this by offering a diesel alternative.

ME May 31st, 2007 Link

I am trying to decide if my next car will be a VW diesel, or a Mini. I love the size, looks and driving dynamics of the Mini, but I really want a diesel car.
A diesel Mini would make my decision EASY!

Kristina May 31st, 2007 Link

I’d love a Mini D! Especially a Clubman. We’re considering a MC as one of our new cars, but if we can get 60mpg and have the torque of a diesel - yes! That car goes to the top of the list.

I’d pay $1500-2k for the diesel.

Diesel = better fuel economy, and diesel is currently cheaper than 91 where I live in Cali. Plus it seems that the tec